Kathryn Morrow and Cass Morrow Share New Method to Keep Families Together
Cass and Kathryn Morrow are a husband and wife duo who are disrupting divorce all over the world with their unique coaching methods, books and podcast. Cass, an aware, managing, severe narcissist has built his men’s “Marriage Reset” program on 3 main pillars: Peace, Partnership and Passion. Men become so valuable that their wives would be crazy to leave them.
Kathryn is a narcissistic abuse survivor and aims to keep families together. Where many women would leave, Kathryn stayed and fought for her family. Trained in The Gottman Method, Kathryn is pioneering conflict management with her novel approach and methods.
Hosts of the Morrow Marriage podcast, together they have reached over 100 countries and have helped over 4500 couples worldwide.
“My program is called The White Picket Fence Project, which is the women’s constituent of a broader program called Morrow Marriage. My husband and I are co-hosts of the Morrow Marriage podcast, which is just over a year old and gets approximately 15,000 downloads per month and is in over 100 countries. We have a combined social media following of about half a million people, and we each have a net worth valued at over a million dollars.
The White Picket Fence Project is a marriage coaching program for women whose husbands are either uninterested or unwilling to participate in therapy, counselling or coaching. We believe one single spouse can influence his or her partner and affect change rather than drag them kicking and screaming to therapy sessions (that aren’t going to work – let’s be honest).
My husband is a narcissist (managing, severe, self aware) and we turned our marriage around in 2020 after 6 years of literal Hell (legit Hell) and emotional and narcissistic abuse. I, of course, became reactively abusive in response to his behavior. We have since helped over 5000 couples in toxic marriages avoid divorce and keep their families together.
My husband’s most recent book “Disrupting Divorce“ and mine “Behind the White Picket Fence,” were both number one new releases on Amazon due to our dedicated social media following.” Katherine Morrow
The White Picket Fence Project makes up about 10% of our total client base and revenue. A pitch deck outlining this particular part of the program is attached below.
Kathyrn, tell us about your background and what led you to launch the Morrow Marriage podcast.
We have been married for 10 years, and 6 of the 10 years were really bad. In 2020 when so many couples were struggling in business, we were no different. We ended up losing a 7 figure fitness and nutrition business. In an effort to save our business we actually also lost our home. We thought it made more sense to pay for the business and its expenses instead of paying our personal expenses, because our business was our lifeline, and we never could have anticipated what was ahead. This resulted in our home almost being foreclosed. As a last ditch effort to avoid foreclosure, we sold our house at a loss, and also had 3 of our 4 vehicles repossessed. It was during this time that we were forced to rely on each other, literally for survival. As entrepreneurs we understood that we needed to pour everything we had left into our business ventures to try to stay afloat, and in order to do that, we needed to be a team. When so many couples faced division in 2020, we found unity. We hit our rock bottom in business and in marriage and we chose to grow and unite. From there we each launched a unique marriage coaching business, one for men and one for women. As survivors of a marriage riddled with narcissistic abuse, who made it through 2020, we wanted to share everything we learned with the world. If we could experience healing, Anyone could. We launched the podcast in October 2023, and it has grown exponentially since its launch. We are up to about 15000 downloads per month in just over a year.
Kathryn, what have you learned about yourself and your marriage in 2024?
The biggest lesson I can take away from last year is about boundaries. So many people insist on laying boundaries within their marriage to protect themselves. But what about boundaries FOR your marriage, between the couple and the outside world? When your marriage is in trouble, often all you can think about is how to protect yourself, but when your marriage is healthy, you should be thinking about how to protect your union. A couple of years ago I recognized that the stronger our marriage got, the more I wanted to protect it. In the last 12 months I’ve been able to convey this to all the women I coach, not only strengthening my own marriage but helping other women understand the feelings of protection they’re developing for their husbands when they escape the chaos and start experiencing healing.
Cass, tell us about the “Marriage Reset” program.
This is the men’s program. Men walk through the necessary steps to “grow up” in 90 days or less. It’s a step x step program; with tools I created to solve problems that break away from society’s examples to “save” a marriage. Men learn to stand out in leadership by learning to stop using Automatic Turn offs — things that build the wall automatically, and prevent conversations to banter, flirts to dates and yes, sex. They’ll climb my Rejection Ladder, restoring intimacy on all levels. Using my STAT Response, they will learn to structure the direction for their new marriage and stop trying to fix, or save, the broken one. They will learn to become so valuable; their wife would be crazy to leave them. In fact, they’ll want to join him in this incredible new life. Restoring peace, partnership and passion, the new marriage is the beautiful by-product of the new man.
Kathryn, as a coach, what will people notice when working with you? Take us through your techniques.
We use a variety of methods, a lot of which we have developed ourselves. We are trained in some very well-known modalities and methods, but our proprietary methodologies are why people come to us. The Morrow Marriage Method consists of 4 stages: Inspire, Lead, Ask and Motivate. In these stages we teach a series of skills to have each client stand in his or her own strength and lead the spouse out of turmoil and disaster. The last stage is motivation (with boundaries), and contrary to popular belief, boundaries are often not even needed under the pretense of connection. We also have a program called Morrow Momentum, which involves adding and subtracting things in your life to propel yourself forward (this would be part of the inspire stage). Our methods are extremely unique and aren’t seen anywhere else in the world. People come to us because we are not only candid about our story, but we are also candid and real when we coach. We don’t sugarcoat anything, and because of how real and raw we are, we get very fast results. We can accomplish in a few weeks what traditional therapy would accomplish in 5 years, if ever.
Kathryn, you and your husband, Cass both have #1 bestsellers on Amazon, “Disrupting Divorce “and mine “Behind the White Picket Fence.” Tell us about a few takeaways.
Cass says: Disrupting Divorce is a condensed version of The Marriage Reset. The men in my program love the quick reference and “snapshot” when they need a fast answer. For men who cannot afford the Reset, they have an option to learn the same system and tools to move themselves forward. I share stories and struggles we overcame in a practical, no-nonsense guide selling fast. And I mean fast. Behind the White Picket Fence is a workbook Kathryn created to jump right to the tools she implements in her program. She gives quick stories for application. We’ve found, incredibly, a strategy working extremely well when only one partner is (truly) on board: read Disrupting Divorce. Men, you have a plan. Women, you now understand your husband. I never could have prepared myself for how many women would thank me for this. Use Kathryn’s book. Kathryn was the catalyst (with these tools), for me to overcome and manage narcissism. Men, there’s a reason Kathryn coaches men in my program.
What is next for you?
We have a brand-new platform for our courses and communities. Go.morrowmarriage.com. Free resources etc.
